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#1 chinacatsun

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 09:46 PM

Reflect + Sadist?



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 09:50 PM

oooor anyone seen/tried something like (few points in HP early training) focus mainly armor with some ATK? Kind of a hard-to-kill low DMG defense trooper?



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 10:49 PM

oooor anyone seen/tried something like (few points in HP early training) focus mainly armor with some ATK? Kind of a hard-to-kill low DMG defense trooper?

you mean +2 Armor and +2 Attack Training?

equipped with Damage Reflection and Sadist?

i think its not worth it..
because of Low HP..

he cannot survive...

and sadist is useless when HP is Low


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 06:19 AM

It's true that Sadist is useless against other players if you have low HP. Most of the time your trooper dies on the 1st round before even dealing any damage.

But, I actually have a pure offense (+2ATK/ACC) Commando, equipped with 2 Sadists that i use against AI missions with damage reflection. It's really effective.

I think what OP wants to say is if he could try using the lifesteal from Sadist to make his trooper more tankier. Aaaaaand the answer is No. Sadist is useful only when you have high attack. Either you just make a pure tank (+2HP/Armor) with NO weapons, or you put your Sadist on a hybrid trooper with high attack or accuracy (+2ATK or ACC, +1 other stats). The hybrid option is somewhat powerful in PvP. I've actually seen several defenses at high ranks with that build.

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#5 SOL SNAKE

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 12:30 PM

I agree with basuraMan...
pure offense sadist troop...

is effective when it comes to AI...

especially to those AI with Damage Reflection.. :)

i also tried sadist troop...
but the best sadist is the Commandos..

because i tried using Sadist in Spy (+2 Accuracy / +2 Attack )
but its not really effective..
because that spy will automatically Die
after his 1st first shot.. and he cannot even shoot his 2nd shot..

reason why Sadist is not recommended for SPY with pure offense stat...

is because, when the Spy deals a lot more damage ...

and then the damage reflected to him is more than compare to his HP...
the sadist will not be effective..
and it will not be activated..

because the SPY is already dead..

try to consider this SPY stat...
this is my actual SPY stat..

 

 

[Training Level 43]

 

HP: 108

Armor: 9

Accuracy: 87

Attack: 86

 

Skill: 1 Flare Gun (Maxed) , 3 Sadist (Maxed)

 

i tried my experiment in AI that has Damage Reflection (Lv3)..
and when my SPY shoot that AI with Damage Reflection (Lv3)..

my SPY dies..

because his 1st shot deals more than his 108 HP..
and lets say the actual damage or its base damage is around  500+ (not critical)..

Damage Reflection (Lv3) has 24% Damage Reflect...

 

that means 24% of 500 is 120

120 is greater than 108 (My Spy's HP)

 

surely my SPY will die before the Sadist's can restore his HP..

 

 

Sadist is best used with Commandos...

because as you have notice..

the Commandos damage is very Low Damage..
BUT so many hits...

lets say for example in every hit of commando deals below 480...

and his HP is 120 (Default HP)...

 

and lets say the commando hits an AI with Damage Reflection (Lv3)

24% of 480 is 115

so 115 is the damage that will be reflected...

 

what do you think will happen to commando?
can he survive?
ofcourse YES! :D

 

because 115 is below 120 (Commandos HP)

lets say in 1st shot...the commandos was hit by damage reflect 115...

that means the remaining HP of Commando will be 5 HP...

after that... the Sadist Skill will be Activated...

and instead of 5 HP..
it will be restored by 33% from his 480 Damage...

33% of 480 is 158

 

and this will keep on repeating to restore its health in the next hit..


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Posted 22 September 2016 - 09:30 AM

Very nice explanation.. Im a commando user haha life steal is good. Even that guy got damage reflec on pvp.

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Posted 04 October 2016 - 05:46 PM

Thanks for the replies, some good information.. But I was more or less wondering if sadist works with tank/reflect.. Does the reflect damage count towards sadist? So high health/armor and if an opponent is using Hallelujah to stop your health regeneration, can sadist heal your tank from reflect?



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Posted 04 October 2016 - 06:25 PM

do you mean...

if an enemy troop hits your troop and deals 300 damage...

and since your tank troop is equipped with damage reflect (maxed level)...

your troop will receive only 64% of 300 damage.. (that means 192 damage)...
and the 36% will be reflected to the enemy...

that means the enemy will receive 108 damage...

due to the reflected damage..

 

now...

your question is...
will the sadist works?

works with the damage reflect?

 

my answer is that NO

if your thinking that since the enemy troop received 108 damage (36% reflect from 300 damage)...

it does not mean that you will receive 33% restore health...(33% of 108 damage is 36 heal)

no this is not the case.. :)
 

Damage reflect cannot work with sadist :)
your troop cannot restore its health or cannot benefits from the damage reflect..

you can only restore your health by the help of Sadist Skill IF your troop directly attacks the enemy...

NOT from the Damage Reflect

 

i hope i answered your questions, my brother :)


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Posted 04 October 2016 - 08:47 PM

Yeah that pretty much sums it up.. Can using multiple reflects stack the stats at all? I just assumed in general it cannot, otherwise people would be impossible to kill.



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Posted 05 October 2016 - 06:39 AM

Damage Reflection Skill Test:

http://forum.pockett...age-reflection/


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